tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post2728702548324810416..comments2023-12-28T21:22:10.935-07:00Comments on Jill Outside: Facing the fuelJill Homerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02983065990450931943noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-49856527911871180242011-04-13T08:07:05.029-06:002011-04-13T08:07:05.029-06:00I have similar issues once my workouts extend past...I have similar issues once my workouts extend past 2.5 hrs in length. I found a tip that the Tour de France domestics use: Potatoes! I've found having them boiled, then cut them I put a small amount of spices (I like rosemary...), cut in quarters, wrap in foil for easy on the go eating. I can take small nibbles every 10-15 min. with water and it keeps me going for 8 hrs or more, no problem. Easy on the stomach too...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-88519237136933250822011-04-07T19:02:16.022-06:002011-04-07T19:02:16.022-06:00I forgot but I also have some kind of nuts for pro...I forgot but I also have some kind of nuts for protein. I'm partial to almonds. At gas stations, the bbq kind too.<br /><br />Bananas are great too.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08987251196229322384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-10875758270072704142011-04-07T18:59:54.119-06:002011-04-07T18:59:54.119-06:00I'm no where near your endurance level but on ...I'm no where near your endurance level but on long rides, I've found french fries are one of the few things that doesn't upset my stomach and is easy to find when riding in civilization (harder in your races). Also baked sweet potatoes are great. I've tried all the gels and bars but there is nothing like real food. Perpetuem was the worst. Around 8 hours into a ride with Perpetuem, any smell makes me so hungry. <br /><br />For electrolytes, I use Endurolytes too. The only "secret" I have is taking one before going to bed the night before and once you wake up. That's to make sure you're topped off before you start. The rest is dependent on how much I'm sweating (I live in So Cal so I've had my share of bonking).Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08987251196229322384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-22683859579541207702011-04-07T08:11:31.180-06:002011-04-07T08:11:31.180-06:00Also some endurance riding nutrition suggestions o...Also some endurance riding nutrition suggestions on this thread:<br />http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=619253Kimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-82734201476597915292011-04-07T07:21:40.428-06:002011-04-07T07:21:40.428-06:00getspoked speaks good sense. Even if it costs a bi...getspoked speaks good sense. Even if it costs a bit for an evaluation, how much is it in the big scheme of things when you look at travel costs and race entry fees etc?Flyboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11304812333120293988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-33443419020041487362011-04-07T06:47:16.529-06:002011-04-07T06:47:16.529-06:00Jill, have you considered seeing a sports nutritio...Jill, have you considered seeing a sports nutritionist? It would be expensive, but you could probably get the info you need in one or two visits. The thing is, all of us here are basing our comments on magazine articles. A nutritionist can identify what you need in general terms (e.g., carbs, protein) and specifically when you need it. Once you have the building blocks, you can find the carbs or protein you like and plug it into your workout.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-25904458176069308812011-04-06T21:05:06.089-06:002011-04-06T21:05:06.089-06:00http://candy.jellybelly.com/candy/Electrolyteshttp://candy.jellybelly.com/candy/ElectrolytesJoeDellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-91322452798226947092011-04-06T17:04:12.059-06:002011-04-06T17:04:12.059-06:00I had a lot more energy for bicycling after I beca...I had a lot more energy for bicycling after I became a vegetarian, which hasn't changed after becoming a vegan. It's easy to get enough protein in such a diet.Scotthttp://www.nasw.org/users/mslong/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-62965565895313664832011-04-06T14:11:37.074-06:002011-04-06T14:11:37.074-06:00Hammer gels and powders give me heartburn (worse o...Hammer gels and powders give me heartburn (worse on the run than on the bike). Shot Bloks are great! They taste good and no heartburn. They are soft enough to still be edible in cold weather (like the Birkie this year was -3F at start, and they were fine. Some products get too hard in the cold to eat). Drinks are harder. I go old school gatorade (warm for ski races, cold for bike/run). I like Mountain Berry Shot Bloks. They have flavors with caffeine too and Margarita Shot Bloks have 3Xs the salt for really hot weather. I had to practice when to eat and how much and it has changed with age/training/weather/etc. Also, I keep dissolvable strips for heartburn (or Tums) with me in my seatbag or Camelpack. There gets to be a point when you consume so many carbs, that HB and sour stomach are inevitable. Good luckClairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03788743684983698237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-65311551299850877072011-04-06T13:57:54.552-06:002011-04-06T13:57:54.552-06:00For what you do I would suggest my high density ca...For what you do I would suggest my high density calories, and meals. Maybe double up on servings at the aid stations. Sandwiches, Cheese, Dry Sausage/meat and whole grains crackers.<br /> <br />In all likely hood it was the intensity early on and lack of substantial calories early on that caught up to you.ddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-67694763328617654372011-04-06T13:57:08.297-06:002011-04-06T13:57:08.297-06:00EH is the only one here I'd listen to, girl ki...EH is the only one here I'd listen to, girl kicks it.<br /><br />Your eat-anything-you-want works for multi-day stuff.<br /><br />For shorter things, you really need to get products like Perp to work for you. Digestion of real food crowds out blood your muscles would like for O2. Use real food to settle stomach, not fill it. <br /><br />That along with eating correctly days before and just prior to the shorter event are mondo important. As is your post exercise eating of protein. But you already know all this.Jeff Kerkove sucksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-87574498338648239542011-04-06T13:36:29.166-06:002011-04-06T13:36:29.166-06:00My favorite endurance food is baked potato wedges ...My favorite endurance food is baked potato wedges with salt. The fastest recovery from a bonk (for me) is by drinking soda. And I carry ginger chews in case my stomach gets upset with some energy food I decide to try. They've been a lifesaver.Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059092127913479264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-33604022777413769822011-04-06T13:28:28.569-06:002011-04-06T13:28:28.569-06:00I'm with you. Can't stand most bars, gels...I'm with you. Can't stand most bars, gels etc. I have them in case of emergency. I stick by the tried and true: PB&J, PB&Honey. I still haven't found an answer to the electrolyte issue. Any sport drink is too sweet and full of sugar for me.hellpellethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04696081201627826554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-57796113902943836102011-04-06T13:22:36.396-06:002011-04-06T13:22:36.396-06:00Wow...some awesome info to process here. I can'...Wow...some awesome info to process here. I can't even fathom how to eat for an extended event, cuz I almost never ride much over 5 to 7 hours. For the most part my cycling nutrition is centered on cost. Basicly I'm cheap. Shot blocks are great but spendy. Apparently I do just fine on High Fructose corn syrup (ACK!). So lately I just go to Costco and buy a big box of whatever looks tasty.<br /><br />Currently I'm into 2 diff things: the first is Kellogs Fruity Snacks. Little blobs of goodness, same consistency of cinnamon bears/etc. A big honkin' box of these is like $10! Road or Mt biking, I can stuff 5 or 6 of these in a pocket or 2 or my camelback (they are in 2.5oz packs, so you actually get some quantity in each pack) and gobble them down like candy! (cuz they are). I too like sour patch kids, but have a hard time finding them in bulk. I also discovered that Gummy Bears are delicious but their consistency is thicker making them harder to gobble down. Unless they are warm, then they melt like butter in your mouth. <br /><br />And my second latest craze (also from Costco) is Sun Rype brand FruitSource bars. 100% fruit bars in Strawberry, Wildberry, n Blueberry Pemegranite flavors. It's like a super-thick fruit roll in a candy-bar form. VERY tasty, they gobble down quick n easy, n each bar has 32g of carbs, 10mg sodium n 270mg potassium. I think you get like 30 bars in the box for around $12. And most likely these are probably kind'a good for me, unlike my beloved Fruity Snacks. Good luck on your quest for food.MattChttp://inane-asylum.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-88794381772832325192011-04-06T13:00:18.001-06:002011-04-06T13:00:18.001-06:00A new idea I've been turned on to by my chirop...A new idea I've been turned on to by my chiropractor is to supplement with extra minerals and B vitamins. He has me on some fancy supplements from Standard Process that really grossed me out as a former vegetarian (read the ingredients on Ligaplex, Cataplex or Cardio Plus and you will understand why). They seem to be working well! I've been taking them for almost two months and I've noticed that I'm recovering better and not getting as crazy hungry on rides. I've begun feeding them to my boyfriend to good result as well. According to the chiro, we deplete our essential minerals when we exercise, so it's always a good idea to add more in via diet.<br /><br />When I bike tour, I love cans of fish! Sardines are my pick since they are low in mercury. They aren't the most weight effective thing, I suppose, but they are easy to eat quickly and they fill you up, and they are a great source of calcium, omegas and protein. They saved me from a couple of major bonks. <br /><br />Agreed on a lot of the packaged foods - gross and hard to get down. I love a good pbj (or almond butter jelly) sandwich. They are just the right combo of carbs and protein to get me out of a bonk and on my way, it's always on hand and they are quick to prepare.leahhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/nerd_love/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-72018108667681703602011-04-06T12:48:15.966-06:002011-04-06T12:48:15.966-06:00This has been a great post to read (well, they alw...This has been a great post to read (well, they always are), and also the comments are helpful. Nutrition is something I struggle with, too. On most days, when I'm riding to & from work, I try to eat balanced meals with small amounts. I've found it very difficult to change this behavior on long, multi-day rides. The result is bonking every couple of days. It sucks. I can really relate to avoiding the energy gels and Gatorade; they make my stomach hurt in the worst way. It doesn't matter what any other athlete says; if these upset your stomach, you shouldn't eat them. That's foolish. Lots of water and protein seem to be the key. Regarding the shot blocks, they also upset my stomach. But last summer we discovered they have the same nutritional content as Happy Colas (without the electrolytes) so we eat them instead. Also carry lots of nuts, and peanut butter sandwiches. Real food forever!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-73656767758090428972011-04-06T12:11:47.735-06:002011-04-06T12:11:47.735-06:00I understand the desire to drink pure water on lon...I understand the desire to drink pure water on long efforts! As a endurance mtn biker I am experimenting with using water in one bottle, and a dilute mix of Sustained energy in another bottle for liquid nutrition complemented by GUs and small but consistent intake of real food (every 2 or 3 hours for the 'real food') including DIY bars full of dates, nuts, cardamon, clove, salt, etc. (yum). The long chain carbs in Sustained Energy seem to be working better than simple sugars. It doesn't taste sweet thank heavens and has a mild taste. Good luck with your nutrition 'trials.'LMaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05488873225407986758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-81385558358087122732011-04-06T11:43:18.742-06:002011-04-06T11:43:18.742-06:00Hi Jill
Cheflandria blog She trains in Steven Can...Hi Jill<br />Cheflandria blog She trains in Steven Canyon alot too. <br />She writes about riding and eating<br /><br />http://cheflandria.com/category/food/velocyclinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478806950080296128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-21730844814891008962011-04-06T11:11:26.612-06:002011-04-06T11:11:26.612-06:00Thanks for the suggestions. I've found I often...Thanks for the suggestions. I've found I often feel the same way as Eszter — what works for me one day turns on me the next. And I've also limped through events on amazingly little calorie intake (my six-day Iditarod race was also in the 1,500-calorie-a-day range.) Survival mode certainly isn't fun, and I won't argue that I'm even close to my most effective in survival mode, but it has taught me that my body is much more resilient than I used to give it credit for. I've often suspected the full-out, race-ending bonks that I hear about are more mental than physical. Either that, or the early stages of actual organ failure. <br /><br />As for paleo, I believe this diet works really well for some people but it's not for me. Some of the foods it emphasizes are the same foods I often have issues with — meat, nuts and root vegetables primary among them. I've never been able to eat those foods in more than small quantities without gastrointestinal distress. If fact, the only reason I'm not a vegetarian is because I prefer not to limit my diet in any particular way. (Also, because of sushi and Alaskan Halibut.) <br /><br />And I do believe that the main issue with food and modern lifestyle is too many calories, not necessarily too many of any particular type of calories. It's a problem for obesity but it's also a problem for athletes (and I'm as guilty of putting too much down the hatch as anyone.) I think low-calorie diets are the key to the best health, but the difficulty is finding (and maintaining) that balance.Jill Homerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02983065990450931943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-8648231919594793422011-04-06T11:01:02.246-06:002011-04-06T11:01:02.246-06:00It certainly seems everyone has an opinion on nutr...It certainly seems everyone has an opinion on nutrition. I'm definitely in the camp of finding what works for you as an individual. We may have evolved as a species mainly on certain foods, but we also evolved very flexible systems that needed to adapt to inconsistent sources and of nutrition.<br /><br />I think experimenting with food is one of the most exciting parts of participating in endurance sports. I've discovered some very odd combinations that seemed to work for the specific race at the specific time. I'm talking combos like beef-jerky-and-Jolly-Ranchers and my infamous (ask Beat) bacon-wrapped-Oreos.<br /><br />I do think that the constant up-and-down motion of running can put some stresses on the digestive process over very long distance and finding calories that you can "force down and keep down" in such situations is critical. Hammer products work for me, but I won't recommend you try the chalky solids yourself so you can put down the Reece's.Steve Ansellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18107967737535707878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-14371149250027182372011-04-06T10:53:39.240-06:002011-04-06T10:53:39.240-06:00I can't speak to running, but thought about di...I can't speak to running, but thought about diet often during my two-month, cross-county road bike trip. <br /><br />I started off with Power Bars and Gu and Gatorade and ended with two daytime staples: Snickers bars or salt-rich Paydays along with peanut butter + honey + banana sandwiches OR cheese and summer sausage sandwiches. Occasionally added dried apples to the mix.<br /><br />I kept a large bag of peanut M&Ms or Fruit Loops in my Camelbak for emergency sugar energy between rest stops. We ate pounds of pasta and meatballs for most dinners. We drank lots of coffee. That's about it.<br /><br />It came down to recognizing what my body needed to get through a day and recover after (much more protein than usual), when it needed it (about every 10 miles), and how it needed it (NOT in a compressed dense bar - those were too hard to digest). <br /><br />Just keep listening to your body. You have a lot of experience putting it through the ringer, so just trust how it feels and functions when you eat a certain way. <br /><br />If I had thought too hard on the bike trip, I would have been paralyzed with indecision and probably weak and hungry.Katherinehttp://mellowveloblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-86159854514233484572011-04-06T10:51:53.489-06:002011-04-06T10:51:53.489-06:00Have your tried peanut butter cups?
I like a wide...Have your tried peanut butter cups?<br /><br />I like a wide variety and it depends at which point during the activity on what tastes good. Have you tried dried apples? I also like cinnamon bears. During hotter weather and longer (say 24 hour or more) events I find a crave salt and vinegar Pringles though I can't stand them otherwise.Snakebitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16879428992616238833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-75899434409950949722011-04-06T09:56:06.521-06:002011-04-06T09:56:06.521-06:00paleopaleoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-17035219720058715752011-04-06T09:49:28.748-06:002011-04-06T09:49:28.748-06:00Alan Lim's sushi bars and potato snacks are ha...Alan Lim's sushi bars and potato snacks are hands down the best thing I have tried. These won't help you on something like the tour divide, but for century and double century efforts, they work great, and don't leave me feeling icky afterwords:<br /><br />http://paleovelo.com/2011/02/13/real-food-for-endurance-riding/Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268250997092573168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-57514500494651509712011-04-06T09:44:14.942-06:002011-04-06T09:44:14.942-06:00It is not as complex as you might think. One podca...It is not as complex as you might think. One podcast will explain it all.<br /><br />http://competitorradio.competitor.com/2010/03/asker-jeukendrup/<br /><br />I think it comes down to suffering versus tolerance. You can eat ice cream and suffer the consequences or eat yukky and feel great. BUT you cant have your cake and exercise too.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216182791364504629noreply@blogger.com