tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post3164395106911879197..comments2023-12-28T21:22:10.935-07:00Comments on Jill Outside: FatpackingJill Homerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02983065990450931943noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-44697178849890853332011-10-24T11:55:08.919-06:002011-10-24T11:55:08.919-06:00Take more calories. If you are going to push the d...Take more calories. If you are going to push the deficit envelope, at least try to do it as late in the event as possible. You won't be able to be calorie neutral but 2500 right off the bat is going to knock you down fast. Just my opinion of course.Kid Riemerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07537691052881191365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-29310012794498091322011-10-21T23:15:10.003-06:002011-10-21T23:15:10.003-06:00Hi Jill,
i want a picture of you wearing the suit...Hi Jill,<br /><br />i want a picture of you wearing the suit :)Martinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07745713645796083589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-55511313805251745992011-10-21T12:19:16.781-06:002011-10-21T12:19:16.781-06:00I just got back from doing the Annapurna Circuit! ...I just got back from doing the Annapurna Circuit! You'll have a great time! We were moving fast--not racing like you guys--and I don't know what rules apply or where you're going exactly, but fwiw, I have a blog post up, which includes a partial list of stuff I took. Happy to provide more detailed input if I can. I did some things right, many things wrong. I can totally relate to the pre-packing experience. One thing to know--you can get most things in Nepal, at low cost, and make adjustments when you get there. I ditched a lot of my stuff on reconsideration, when I got to Kdu. Also, sun/humidity were challenging for me down low, and my trekking poles were probably my best investment. Good luck!Scottyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15346029004509730578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-1076732597354895622011-10-20T20:01:08.541-06:002011-10-20T20:01:08.541-06:00Meghan,
Yeah definitely some people can bring the...Meghan,<br /><br />Yeah definitely some people can bring the weight down. Problem with going ultralight is<br />- yuck food<br />- travel light, freeze at night (I guess Jill and I could spoon hehe)<br />- risky<br />- uncomfortable (My inflatable pad broke in Namibia and I unintendedly went lighter that way - damn I didn't sleep well :)<br /><br />Nepal has the problem that it could rain and we go not terribly high up but high enough it could be pretty cold. In Vietnam I was extremely happy I brought a bit more clothing and I was still freezing a lot. But to us, it's really supposed to be a vacation and an adventure, we're not in it to compete, so a few comfort items are gonna make this a lot more fun and not that much slower. Other than that we do have a lot of good ultralight gear - 850 fill bag etc etc. The other issue is that this is a one-time event - for MDS it's a lot easier to figure out what you encounter I think. Point in case Vietnam again - who'd have thought we'd be freezing our asses off for 6 days in rain and fog so thick you could barely see 10 yards ...<br /><br />It's a balance. 27 lbs with 3l of water is not too bad, usually we carry at most 1.5l but they said in some stretches you need to be able to carry 2.5l.<br /><br />Thanks for all the tips, keep em coming!<br /><br />Cheers, BeatBeatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-77510958038863585922011-10-20T19:00:21.843-06:002011-10-20T19:00:21.843-06:00Meghan, I'd definitely be interested in seeing...Meghan, I'd definitely be interested in seeing your spreadsheets. E-mail me at jillhomer@gmail.com.<br /><br />Keep in mind that the 27 pounds includes three liters of water. Without water it would be closer to 20 pounds, and without food likely less than 10 (I really should weigh it to see.) The food is already near my own acceptable minimum, so the only places I can see to cut are Dave's advice for mummy thermarest and gear. I'm not sure what the weather is like at MdS, but we have to expect anything between 30 degrees and 90 degrees with a high chance of rain, so I'm basically bringing a winter set of gear on top of summer running clothes. Also not going to give up the 25-degree bag. I already sleep poorly in these sorts of events; I wouldn't sleep at all if I had to sleep cold. <br /><br />That said, any advice is appreciated. Thanks!Jill Homerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02983065990450931943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-41874459452850423672011-10-20T18:14:28.556-06:002011-10-20T18:14:28.556-06:00Never could eat mntn house but reese's dipped ...Never could eat mntn house but reese's dipped in PB, never get sick of those. My main reason to do endurance events.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02276596666223591698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-75255605628308400122011-10-20T17:04:43.586-06:002011-10-20T17:04:43.586-06:00Holy smokes, 27 pounds is so much weight! You have...Holy smokes, 27 pounds is so much weight! You have Beat for the good advice since he's done these self-sufficiency running races before. Let me know if you want me uber-ultralight Excel spreadsheets from Marathon des Sables, though, to pare down some more... SO FUN this adventure will be, sore knees and all! :)Meghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12994831420729922386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-79856063054484762462011-10-20T13:52:59.514-06:002011-10-20T13:52:59.514-06:00The route is in the vicinity of the Annapurna Circ...The route is in the vicinity of the Annapurna Circuit, but I don't think it actually utilizes any part of that route. Racing the Planet designs race routes that are more remote, through areas that don't see much tourism. This "off-the-beaten-path" type of trek is one of the appeals of using this organization. Also, I think purchasing local food and drink is against the race rules, probably just in the interest of making sure racers are prepared and also to keep things fair.Jill Homerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02983065990450931943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-26466850194435280322011-10-20T13:42:40.696-06:002011-10-20T13:42:40.696-06:00Also if you are on the Anupurna trek route there a...Also if you are on the Anupurna trek route there are a bunch of villages where it is possible to buy snacks, soda, and even full meals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-56544530116699686572011-10-20T13:41:48.148-06:002011-10-20T13:41:48.148-06:00I've done long backpacking trips with Mountain...I've done long backpacking trips with Mountain House meals. We always pack each mountain house into its own quart ziplock (and remove the dessicant). Come dinner time you just add two cups hot water to your ziplock, eat and then dispose of the ziplock. Saves bulk as well as some weight and I've never had a problem with them absorbing water or going funky on me. Use the freezer ziplocks though as they are a bit tougher.<br />SarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-53421183286812959302011-10-20T12:37:54.073-06:002011-10-20T12:37:54.073-06:00DJC — what I am speculating, based on my own perso...DJC — what I am speculating, based on my own personal past experiences, is that the shock to my system caused by increased activity levels and camp living will reduce my appetite to the point where it will be difficult to force myself to take in, let alone process, an adequate number of calories to replace the ones I've burned. So carrying more food won't necessarily mean I'll eat it, and more likely than not I won't because it will give me stomach aches. So extra food will just become dead weight. Yes, I probably will lose body fat. But of course I have plenty to burn, and over a week the rate of loss shouldn't be significant enough to affect my health. There is a chance that my appetite levels will remain normal and I'll feel hungry and grumpy, but that's about the worst of it. <br /><br />My past experiences are mostly backpack trips where my calorie needs were lower than this particular effort, and endurance bicycle races where they were higher. During the 2008 Iditarod Trail Invitational my appetite was so jacked that I was only able to consume a fraction of what I needed. Some 24-hour periods I was eating as little as 1,000 calories when the combination of constant movement and staying warm in sub-zero temperatures probably required eight times that. I bonked hard a couple of times and lost 10 pounds over the course of six days. I certainly don't want to go back to that, but it also taught me that the body can do a lot with very little if it needs to. So I'm certain I can make do with 2,500.Jill Homerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02983065990450931943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-34536350923301502702011-10-20T12:37:23.139-06:002011-10-20T12:37:23.139-06:00My brother and I love the Mt house dehydrated meal...My brother and I love the Mt house dehydrated meals whenever we backpack...just add hot water and you have delicious hot food chock full of carbs n calories! Beef Stroganhoff, Lasagna and Spaghetti are prob our fav's...(we EACH eat the '2 person' meal for dinner). If they are providing the hot water that's cool...no camp stove req'd. But I'd sure leave them in their original foil ziplock bags...repacking them into anything else would be a bad idea for the rehydrating part. (note: just remember to take OUT the dessicant pack before adding boiling water!)...I never needed the 'fork' part of the 'spork'..just get the EXTRA LONG handle plastic spoon from REI (it's super light in weight tan/light brown in color)...and it's PERFECT for eating out of the large deep bags! It's the only eating utensil we carry on our trips. For breakfast you can't hardly beat instant oatmeal packs (I like the maple/brown sugar flav, but apple/cinnamon is good too). 2 or 3 packs each for breakfast...small and light, again just add hot water (if you can get that in the morning. Also Folgers makes coffee 'bags' for instant coffee...I HAVE to have coffee in the morning! (tho we are spoiled...using the Jetboil system we have French Press FRESH ground coffee rather than the instant or coffee-bags). Good luck figuring out your gear! Gonna be a GREAT trip!Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10517087265569164625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-72219021489431637432011-10-20T12:21:37.820-06:002011-10-20T12:21:37.820-06:00"I'm fairly certain that my calorie intak..."I'm fairly certain that my calorie intake will remain on the deficit side no matter what I bring, so I'm planning on about 2,500 calories a day."<br /><br />I don't get this. Are you saying that the increased calories burned by carrying more food is greater than the calories available to be consumed by bringing more food???DJChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03854255976037041124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-54223622798743464262011-10-20T11:30:02.718-06:002011-10-20T11:30:02.718-06:00Danni, Losing the jar of peanut butter would only ...Danni, Losing the jar of peanut butter would only save 16 ounces but I'd lose 300 calories a day and probably another extra pound of body fat by the end of the trek (not necessarily a bad thing, but dieting does make me cranky.) PB to me is the ideal backpacking/bikepacking food, with a tasty combo of fat, protein and carbs (if you get the cheap sugar-added kind) in a small calorie-dense package. I got sick of PB during the Tour Divide as well, but I remember the first week it was like heaven in a jar. I'm not harboring any delusions that there will be much if any running on this trek. But the distances are long and the time cut-offs are not endlessly generous, so I will have to keep up the pace. <br /><br />Dave: Yeah, some of this stuff is required gear mandated by the race organization. Backpacking as a stage race is different from your typical ultralight trip in that we'll actually have quite a bit of down time in camp, hot water is rationed, it won't always be our decision when to start and stop moving, and we'll be around a large group of people so we can't just go off and build our own fires. Finding a way to stay warm and dry while we're not moving is key. Our running gear is likely to be soaked for most of the week. Tyvek suits are only about 7 oz so to me they seem worth a try. The flip-flops are also almost free. Even I'd rather cut 3 oz from my precious food stash than leave those behind. <br /><br />I can't do the mummy ridgerest. I sleep on either my side or my stomach, but both positions don't adhere well to the mummy shape. And I'm such a fitful sleeper, especially after exercising all day, that I toss around and usually end up halfway on the cold ground at points anyway. Once I woke up in my bivy sack with the pad basically on top of me. Winter camping has convinced me that every square inch of the Ridgerest is worth its bulk in gold. This is also my personality when it comes to backpacking. Unlike ultralight enthusiasts, I fight to keep all the ounces I've become attached to. <br /><br />The dehydrated meals are either Mountain House or an international brand (forgetting it) offered by Racing the Planet. They all have about 800 calories and a good mix of protein, fat, carbs and sodium. The breakfasts Beat and I will split so 400 calories each. We're considering repacking them in Zippies but I'm mulling how much I want to deal with the ick factor of reusing a bag for cooking. We only get a rationed portion of water so anything we use for washing takes away from drinking (and of course we can treat local water, but in a foreign country with all its new-to-me pathogens, this is something I'd rather do as a last resort.)Jill Homerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02983065990450931943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-21381329674817033052011-10-20T10:59:33.351-06:002011-10-20T10:59:33.351-06:00Jill,
For dehydrated meals you can save a lot of w...Jill,<br />For dehydrated meals you can save a lot of weight by taking them out of their packaging and putting them in a zip lock or vacuum sealing them. Just keep one bag for heating and eating the meals.<br /> <br />I don’t know what type of dehydrated meals you are getting but there is a brand of dehydrated food called Hawk Vittles that has a lot higher calorie content then mountain house for the same weight. <br />Good Luck!!Russp17https://www.blogger.com/profile/18315892115862850155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-22946854190597204142011-10-20T10:27:31.199-06:002011-10-20T10:27:31.199-06:00Dave,
tyvek suit wasn't my idea, I've see...Dave,<br /><br />tyvek suit wasn't my idea, I've seen it be used by many competitors who go for ultralight. It can really make camp easier, especially since you may spend 16 hours in a clammy area. The windproof/vb effect has got to be pretty good. Spending a lot of time in camp when it's clammy/cold/wet can be a real drag without good gear. Hardcore people might dry their running clothes on body, but that can make you extremely miserable (done that, it plain sucks, not sure if it makes you faster or slower).<br /><br />Camp shoes are well worth their weight. You need to understand the particular nature of these events, and not having camp shoes after running through mud and having blistered feet is really not worth the minimal weight savings (even the winners bring flip flips usually ...). In Vietnam (same format event) I used some paper-thin airplane slippers which I sorely regretted ... We're not gonna win this thing (though I did get top ten in vietnam ;) ).<br /><br />Space blanket and multitool (it's just a superlight one, not a bike multitool) are mandatory gear, so can't be omitted.<br /><br />Jar of PB is probably a good investment - very high energy density. Food alone weighs 7-9 lbs. Only issue is we'll really crave sweets ...Beatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-91253264313367630122011-10-20T09:36:41.495-06:002011-10-20T09:36:41.495-06:00I paddled the inside passage this summer and durin...I paddled the inside passage this summer and during the day lived on Honey stinger waffles and zip fizz(a replacement drink) I also used CLiff crunchy granola bars which are essentially Nature Valley Granola bars. They come five in a box and taste a bit better than NVG's. Good luck!Adventure Otakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12215628711923335166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-26619443891087498392011-10-20T07:57:17.938-06:002011-10-20T07:57:17.938-06:00Cut the camp shoes, space blanket multitool (you&#...Cut the camp shoes, space blanket multitool (you're not biking!). I'm skeptical of the Tyvek suit, but a cool idea. Trim the ridgerest into a mummy shape and save some oz.<br /><br />Have fun! Should be awesome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-66903779573512009752011-10-20T07:21:15.472-06:002011-10-20T07:21:15.472-06:00The jar of PB sounds like a lot of extra weight to...The jar of PB sounds like a lot of extra weight to me. Also, I doubt you will be doing much actual running... if you do your feet are going to pay the price. Just power hike... I'm jealous of your trip.Dannihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02201053516148787578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-38336562426972519762011-10-19T23:48:37.226-06:002011-10-19T23:48:37.226-06:00tyvek suits cool!!!tyvek suits cool!!!FixieDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685170404057881390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-53622571363076286122011-10-19T23:37:44.501-06:002011-10-19T23:37:44.501-06:00Pack some protein bars... Don't want to get ru...Pack some protein bars... Don't want to get run down out there! Good luck - cant wait to hear about it and see pics! We'll be apreciative as always for the extra effort of dragging your camera along!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com