tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post4076056227616709065..comments2023-12-28T21:22:10.935-07:00Comments on Jill Outside: Into the WildJill Homerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02983065990450931943noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-14874262532119325892009-01-12T16:55:00.000-07:002009-01-12T16:55:00.000-07:00Thank-you for your sensitive post about what was o...Thank-you for your sensitive post about what was obviously a very troubled young man. That he suffered from some sort of disassociative disorder is readily apparent given his cruel renunciation of his family and, ultimately, himself. His "seeker" and "visionary" status given Krakauer is much more humane and kind than the vitriolic comments by so many. To those who were so scorching in their hatefulness I ask you, what's YOUR problem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-43109762757550303622008-07-24T06:38:00.000-06:002008-07-24T06:38:00.000-06:00I realize this is an old post and most will never ...I realize this is an old post and most will never read this comment, but for those skimming the archives, my .02$<BR/><BR/>The kid lived and lost his life on his own terms. There is no grand purpose to our lives. Regardless of what he did, since it did not effect any of his critics(save family and friends) who assualt his memory, I do not see the origen of the emotion they feel.<BR/><BR/> I think they are the fake ones, who are perhaps jealous that he had teh stones, if not the vision, to do something bigger than himself. That they wish they could, but are irate that they never can, live out their own dreams. The hatred comes from within, and is only directed out to keep from hurting themselves.<BR/><BR/>DrewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-50617101487066558492007-11-25T17:08:00.000-07:002007-11-25T17:08:00.000-07:00If you really know the Chris's story you will unde...If you really know the Chris's story you will understand that embarking on his journey to Alaska was something he HAD to do. No, I don't think you can call him stupid. He was prepared in a lot of ways for being a college boy. <BR/><BR/>Definetely see the movie, there is more to the story than in the book in a lot of ways. Chris's family contributed a lot to the story line in the movie. Sean Penn could and wanted to put out this movie much earlier, but was holding out for more information from the family. I'm guessing that a lot of the dialogue between the people he met on his travels was formulated in the movie, but I think it helped the story tremendously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-53968316197006531232007-11-15T01:50:00.000-07:002007-11-15T01:50:00.000-07:00hello from Fairbanks--I enjoyed reading your comme...hello from Fairbanks--I enjoyed reading your commentary about McCandless. I was just out at bus 142 and since then I have been stumbling around the web to see if any other AK bloggers were expressing their thoughts about the story of Chris...Ed Plumbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05254144658674113218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-6792591695338225552007-10-31T19:52:00.000-06:002007-10-31T19:52:00.000-06:00Personally, I have been pondering my own reactions...Personally, I have been pondering my own reactions to this film and the mystique around it. Before the film actually came out, I had read that people had been making pilgrimages to the bus.<BR/><BR/>This repulsed me. It struck me on several levels, but mostly, that it was the glorification of a very misguided individual. McCandless was not saint, he was a little boy lost I think.<BR/><BR/>I have read Abbey, Thoreau, Kerouac, and of course London and know that "feeling" that McCandless had, but I would never be so silly as to assume I could live off the land in the bush without the proper planning. Planning that would include a map and a compass.<BR/><BR/>Had McCandless had a proper map and a sense of the land, he could have located the cache not 2 miles away. He also could have found a way across the river. However, because he did none of the prep, he ended up dying slowly from malnutrition and perhaps toxic plant ingestion.<BR/><BR/>I am just two years older than he would be today. He and I had similar ideals and ideas I think from reading the book and his journal entries. Chris had many contradictory and naive ideas in his head as all late teens to twenty somethings do. He acted on them and in typical fashion of the age, did so with little thought to the potential consequences.<BR/><BR/>I have been running this all through my head again after seeing the film and feeling somewhat ambivalent about it. I guess what it really comes down to for me now is this...<BR/><BR/>He was no folk hero...<BR/><BR/>He did live the way he wanted to and I can appreciate and perhaps even envy that...<BR/><BR/>I find it funny that he wanted to remove himself from society, but always found himself on its periphery. Until that is, he went to AK where he died "on his own" Thus proving that he was not an island unto himself, and NOT able to "live off the land" Ask any Alaskan, you need people there to survive.<BR/><BR/>More than anything, had he really wanted to affect change, he could have done more with his life than donate 24K to Oxfam, he could have volunteered and made some lives better...<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>Crabbyolbastard<BR/>http://crabbyolbastard.livejournal.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-31746986451068948692007-10-26T08:05:00.000-06:002007-10-26T08:05:00.000-06:00What bugs me about the whole thing is that McCandl...What bugs me about the whole thing is that McCandless's story amounts to little more than an unremarkable failure; lots of kids show his kind of early promise but fall along the way for any number of reasons - broken promises, broken homes, broken dreams - and then they, too, get mired down in meaninglessness - drugs, goal-less wandering, dead-end jobs, harmful relationships, whatever. I feel bad for the kid; like Pete, I wish he had found his way back out. I thought Krakauer's book, although well-researched, in the end amounted to pointless nosiness. There's no "there" there. Maybe McCandless was a special kid, but you know, they all are, and it's sad when they fall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-86428920464636272262007-10-26T05:42:00.000-06:002007-10-26T05:42:00.000-06:00You know what, Chris McCandliss was a dreamer. He ...You know what, Chris McCandliss was a dreamer. He believed he had a personal visionary quest and he gave it his all. Was he sometimes given to cheesy, hippie rhetoric? Yep. Was he practical and prepared in all respects? Certainly not. Was he a gear head, weekend warrior like all the shitheads who stand around and judge him harshly, out of hand - absolutely fucking not. Would he give a crap what those people have to say? Who knows, but given his conviction, his complete repudiation of his antecedents, his idealism, his pigheadedness, his purposeful tunnel vision planted right towards the sky, I seriously doubt it. Was he selfish? He was 23! For all we know he would have called his mom from Cantwell and then gone on to join the Peace Corps. Folks act like they know everything! Remember, a lot's not known about him, and what we do know we're getting from John Krakauer and Sean Penn, both arrogant polemicists posing as reporters and biographers. Personally, I wish he'd just walked down the river to the suspended cart which would have taken him safely across, or brought a lot more food with him, or been more knowledgeable about Alaskan flora (although the wild potato theory has been more or less disproved). I wish these things for him so that he wouldn't have died, not so that he wouldn't have been 'such a dumb ass.' He might have been 'unprepared,' but I would rather live in a world where some people have the guts to make bold, dangerous choices because they have an idealistic dream, regardless of how savvy or strong or whatever they may be. Bottom line. Come what may. And one last thing - he didn't endanger anyone else, don't put that line on him. He didn't try to climb Denali, he holed up in a bus and poached a moose. And I'm sorry, but that whole Colorado river thing was just fucking cool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-90662996854978415482007-10-26T05:11:00.000-06:002007-10-26T05:11:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524988858649573464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-23897521886885800162007-10-26T00:28:00.000-06:002007-10-26T00:28:00.000-06:00Thanks everyone for all of the great thoughts. I t...Thanks everyone for all of the great thoughts. <BR/><BR/>I tend to agree with Brittany. Just how does one judge a state of preparedness? Chris' level of preparedness was unorthodox for sure, but it wasn't inconsistent with his goals. His goal was to be completely self-sufficient in the wild. One can question the wisdom of that goal, but they can't question that he was "prepared" to meet it, by taking almost nothing with him (even though he did eventually accept help from society, such as the boots from the last guy who gave him the ride, and his decision to live in an abandoned bus.) He made a decent go of it, too, keeping himself alive and healthy for nearly three months before he made his fatal mistake. I'm confident that's a whole lot better than I could do. But have no doubt, if I ever decide to take a three-month camping trip in the Alaska backcountry, I am going the be "prepared" with an 80-pound pack, GPS, maps, a gun, and plenty of food drops and/or stops planned. Still, how do I know when I am sufficiently "prepared?" One can never really know, because nature is chaotic and uncertain, and cares nothing about our level of experience or knowledge.<BR/><BR/>I come from a bit of a defensive perspective on this point, because right now I am planning on embarking on an "adventure" that many would consider "reckless," "crazy," "dangerous." It most certainly is dangerous. I plan to devote all the time, money and energy I can spare to preparing for the dangers. But will I be prepared enough? Only time knows that answer.Jill Homerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02983065990450931943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-22799443990599185782007-10-25T23:32:00.000-06:002007-10-25T23:32:00.000-06:00Mmmmm.... Popcorn & a movie.Mmmmm.... Popcorn & a movie.The Driverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389898860055551571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-62662124007201634472007-10-25T23:12:00.000-06:002007-10-25T23:12:00.000-06:00All I know is that if I were always as prepared fo...All I know is that if I were always as prepared for everything as I should be, I'd probably never leave my house.<BR/>-bbrittanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02146637278213017034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-36475030757751488562007-10-25T18:25:00.000-06:002007-10-25T18:25:00.000-06:00Wow! This is the first post of yours I've read (l...Wow! This is the first post of yours I've read (link from Lauren's blog) and I'm just Wowed. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for putting into words what I was thinking when I read the book - I do have mixed feelings about seeing the movie but your "review" will get me there. Thanx.<BR/><BR/>I can see why some Alaskans would hate it.Jackiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10676845337339257662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-42226837164168916942007-10-25T16:59:00.000-06:002007-10-25T16:59:00.000-06:00i like what the person who posted last said, about...i like what the person who posted last said, about how he "represents a group of people who put themselves in dangerous situations without thinking about how it might affect others". <BR/><BR/>i have yet to see the movie--i will, soon--but i remember just being frustrated, not so much by him, and not my his "fame" but by the myth he seems to become. people die in alaska all the time, and i'm okay with that. i don't think his story is particularly worth making a movie out of, over all the other stories out there. and i don't think he's worth turning into a mythological figure, which is what he seems to have become to a lot of people my age. <BR/><BR/>on a different scale, i have a general frustration with people who come to alaska (or any place they define as wilderness, really) with hopes that it will solve their problems, soothe their souls, expand their mind... but without much respect for what it can do to them that might not be so uplifting. the purpose of wilderness--or any natural landscape, really--has nothing to do with us. it's not there to solve our problems. we just like to think it can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-70227530230632618822007-10-25T16:31:00.000-06:002007-10-25T16:31:00.000-06:00I agree with what Vik had to say about Chris McCan...I agree with what Vik had to say about Chris McCandless -- most people I know are resentful because he chose to go off into a grand "adventure" half-cocked. I personally don't hate him for that, but I do think he was stupid, and I don't like it when other people's lives are endangered and our resources are used because of someone's hubris. Although Chris died and wasn't rescued, I think to a lot of people, he represents a group of people who put themselves in dangerous situations without thinking about how it might affect others.<BR/><BR/>It did make me very sad to see how Chris chose to make his statement against society. I agree that modern society is greedy and wasteful; however, instead of choosing to help others, Chris chose to burn his cash and then spend his life wandering around, doing no good. I felt like it was a waste of the resources he did have. He could have made a much bigger statement by helping others in need.Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13711055149111463847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-52900160795662858922007-10-25T15:22:00.000-06:002007-10-25T15:22:00.000-06:00Great post - I look forward to seeing the film. I ...Great post - I look forward to seeing the film. I haven't read the book either - think I'll do that first.<BR/><BR/>As an aside: "I am staying away from the movie because Eddie Vedder's voice is like nails on the chalkboard to me." - I totally agree - I feel like wandering off into the wilderness and getting eaten by a grizzly when I hear his voice. <BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/><BR/>Mungo<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://mungobah.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Mungo Says Bah</A>Mungohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15819489744098705713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-9482441735326912572007-10-25T13:59:00.000-06:002007-10-25T13:59:00.000-06:00I just read the book about 2 months ago, now I mus...I just read the book about 2 months ago, now I must mentally stop myself from dropping everything and heading the other direction from work every morning. Can I identify with McCandless?? You bet I can, I wish I had the cajones....mattonnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05455119725335237258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-26096566873831362472007-10-25T13:27:00.000-06:002007-10-25T13:27:00.000-06:00"I am staying away from the movie because Eddie Ve..."I am staying away from the movie because Eddie Vedder's voice is like nails on the chalkboard to me."<BR/><BR/>Juancho, are you serious? Eddie Vedder is probably the best vocalist in rock right now. Others scream or rasp, he sings. Oh well, to each his own... :) To me, that's one of the draws of the movie, and I can't wait to see it.Fonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504462046067745769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-1340450263229770762007-10-25T12:53:00.000-06:002007-10-25T12:53:00.000-06:00I think people often disdain people who die in way...I think people often disdain people who die in ways that they see as wasteful. A free-climber falls to his death and we think: "He should have had a rope!" We don't think to ourselves that they lived life their way and died their way. Maybe a tiny part of us is jealous, I dunno.<BR/><BR/>What is more disturbing is that many such people try to then save us from ourselves. "Well, we need to close this cliff to climbing!" Why? Because someone died? We don't close highways to cars because someone died (what a thought, but I digress).<BR/><BR/>I can imagine in the afterlife one would rather have died living than lived dying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-3018794745167117382007-10-25T12:01:00.000-06:002007-10-25T12:01:00.000-06:00Thanks Jill.You put into words what I have been tr...Thanks Jill.<BR/><BR/>You put into words what I have been trying to argue all week to my friends since I saw the movie on Sunday. As soon as I mention the movie, I here phrases like "stupid kid" and "what a loser". This angers me. <BR/><BR/>I think of all of the climbers that die in Alaska (because they made mistakes, like Chris) and how they are called heroes. People say they died doing what they love so that makes it okay. How is this any different?<BR/><BR/>People make mistakes in life, and it is part of what makes up who we are. I guess I feel this strong urge to defend him, because I relate to him as well.Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08531177193961467080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-81872219424754363432007-10-25T11:24:00.000-06:002007-10-25T11:24:00.000-06:00I'm not from Alaska and I haven't seen the movie b...I'm not from Alaska and I haven't seen the movie but I loved the book. I'm with you on this one. Maybe the disdain comes from the fact that he just wasn't macho enough or didn't have the right "gear" or that he was so amazingly vulnerable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-10778265643349069572007-10-25T10:37:00.000-06:002007-10-25T10:37:00.000-06:00Wow, your last paragraph just put into order all t...Wow, your last paragraph just put into order all the thoughts that had been sloshing around my head about Chris McCandless since I first read the book, and more recently saw the movie. <BR/><BR/>Seems like a lot of folks don't dwell too much on the way the world is, too busy trying take care of themselves and their families maybe. <BR/><BR/>Others have moments of realization that something about the way we live might not be inherently right. But generally dwell on the satisfaction they get from their day to day lives and relationships. <BR/><BR/>For a few people though, the stark injustices of the world and the expectations of our society of how to live well, or correctly are blatantly, unignorably, and inexcusably wrong. <BR/><BR/>I think McCandless was one of the latter types. He was regularly aware of the big picture injustices of life that most people only occasionally think about, and conversely, at the finer scale of life, was insensitive to the hardships he caused in his personal relationships. <BR/><BR/>As for wandering off into the Alaskan wilderness "unprepared," how many of use found our way up here in our early 20's looking for adventure with a capital "A"? My hand is raised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-29445743274753751952007-10-25T09:55:00.000-06:002007-10-25T09:55:00.000-06:00I was scared of your post at first because I am dy...I was scared of your post at first because I am dying to see the movie. First off, Krakauer is an amazing story teller and that book is a fantastic read no matter if you agree with Chris' take on life or not. <BR/><BR/>I think that a lot of Gen (apply whatever letter best suits our generation)'ers will find they can empathize with Chris. Our generation is fighting a great battle. It is the battle against losing our precious parks, woods and forests. <BR/><BR/>People can argue about his thoughts and beliefs on life but at least he lived a life that he wanted to live. Whether it was right or wrong is not a discussion in my book.<BR/><BR/>I also don't think the "great Alaskan trip" is the big discussion factor. It is the most debated topic about him but I think people miss the point if they only look at that one fact. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, great post. <BR/><BR/>PeaceExtrmTaohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136448849395271797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-70890798223233866312007-10-25T08:18:00.000-06:002007-10-25T08:18:00.000-06:00Great post....and, if you did happen to drop by my...Great post.<BR/><BR/>...and, if you did happen to drop by my blog yesterday, thank you! :)<BR/><BR/>It's one state checked off of the list either way, as I had two visitors from Alaska yesterday.<BR/><BR/>Take care!L h a r l e shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02173474892845061600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-77429236993668967812007-10-25T06:58:00.000-06:002007-10-25T06:58:00.000-06:00Us Americans, we like underdogs, not losers. Poor ...Us Americans, we like underdogs, not losers. <BR/><BR/>Poor Chris was, in fact, a loser.<BR/><BR/>I am staying away from the movie because Eddie Vedder's voice is like nails on the chalkboard to me. All that sincerity.<BR/><BR/>Spare me.Juanchohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283672346601878803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18615538.post-65841769988208799152007-10-25T06:55:00.000-06:002007-10-25T06:55:00.000-06:00Jill, that's a great picture; it really captures t...Jill, that's a great picture; it really captures the spirit of "into the wild". Think I'll print it and put it up for inspiratioin.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07805709764644423473noreply@blogger.com